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Abby Gordon's avatar

The 5 practices is such a foundational piece! I find myself referencing it constantly. Many people don't seem to realize how much planning and careful orchestration it takes to help students create meaning.

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I've been working with students from kinder through adult education since 2004 and these types of discussion were quite easy with K-5 and adult ed in the 2000's and early 2010's.

However, they've always been a challenge for middle and high schoolers who are very socially afraid to speak in front of the class. It has become even more of a problem since Covid where my high school students essentially short circuit if you ask them publicly what the sum of two numbers is.

A discussion like Classroom D above in high school would work if the student were the best in my class; I can think of 3-5 students out of my current 65 that could do it. If attempted with anyone else they would simply not answer and if the 3-5 took the two minutes to discuss with me, the rest of the class would devolve into chaos and never hear it.

As a reference, my tenth grade Integrated Math 2 course in California has most students at the fifth grade level and literacy levels as low or lower. They routinely cannot identify the side or angle of a triangle when asked to simply point to them on a diagram. They routinely cannot add zero to a number without their calculators; one student took four tries to add nine and zero without a calculator. Finding a GCF can take 5-10 minutes when trying to reduce an answer for something like arc length or sector area.

I know I sound negative, but I honestly am not at all. I really like your blog and I began reading it when our district's math curriculum director pointed all staff to it. I think the disconnect is that I can completely agree with what you're writing. Meaning is made via connections, often from having discussions. That requires a large lexicon in Math 2, one my students do not possess. It also requires attention spans and willingness to engage. My students have neither. I very, very, very often have students ask me a question, one they presumably want the answer to if they are asking it, and before I can even get the first few words of my response out of my mouth, I can visibly see their eyes (and minds) drift away.

My disagreement isn't in what you're describing above in terms of what works, it's how to do it with the real humans in front of me.

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